January 13, 2026
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Canadaland Politics
#164 Carney Has a Lot to Lose in China
Mark Carney heads to Beijing, China, marking the first time in 8 years a Canadian Prime Minister sets foot in the country.
Noor Azrieh
Host/Producer
Sam Konnert
Producer/Host
Aviva Lessard
Senior Producer
Caleb Thompson
Audio Editor
max collins
Director of Audio
Jesse Brown
Host & Publisher

The trip comes as Canada juggles Chinese canola tariffs and a seriously fractured US trade relationship. Host Noor Azrieh sits down with Vina Nadjibulla and asks if it’s even possible to play nice with China? Or whether this whole trip is a waste of time. Plus, we hear from Kelly Ann Shaw, a key architect of the Trump administration’s trade, investment, energy and national security policies in his first term, about the future of CUSMA.

 

Host: Noor Azrieh

Credits: Aviva Lessard (Senior Producer), Sam Konnert (Host/Producer), Noor Azrieh (Host/Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor and Technical Producer), Max Collins (Director of Audio) Jesse Brown (Editor), Tony Wang (Artwork)

 

Guests: Vina Nadjibulla, Kelly Ann Shaw

 

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